You could wind up with some type of mineral toxicity. MINERALS, MACRO & TRACE, SALT, LIMESTONE, SULPHUR ETC; Goat Mix: Goat Graze Min: Custom Blends for Goats: Premium Goat Mix: Opening Hours. Thank you!! I sure wish my triplets (also from a first-time mom) had the jump start in life you describe; it makes me question my plan to raise these kids naturally, since there’s no going back…. You only need to feed a medicated feed during times of stress for kids when they are at risk of coccidiosis. We just got two 5 week ago baby Nigerian. That means all of that old info is still out there and being passed around, even though current research has shown that it’s a bad idea. Since they have never had minerals, they will probably consume a lot more than average in the first couple of weeks, but that’s because they are probably deficient in some minerals right now, so they just need to play catch up. That is only meant to be fed short term to kids at weaning or other times of stress. It would be impossible to know what is wrong based upon what you’ve said. Our donkey needs a mineral block as well. Hello Deborah and thanks again for your reply! It simply interferes with their reproduction, so the kids probably have a pretty low level of coccidia at the moment. I’ll look for the 10lb bag of Medicated Sweetlix at my local store, to be clear, they can have the Medicated until it’s gone or until they are about 6 months, right? I am currently feeding them free choice second cut hay, free choice Sweetlix Meatmaker mineral, and Hiland Naturals Non-GMO Heritage Goat Feed (1/4 c. for each of them twice a day). Since the kids are not coming to a farm that has other adult goats, there is 0 parasite load on your pasture, so the chances of them getting coccidiosis is smaller than if you were adding them to an established herd. Wethers are VERY easy keepers and do not usually need much for minerals. At the risk of asking you to repeat information you’ve already written about, I’d like to describe our specific situation… Yesterday we brought home 3 ND kids—two doelings and a wether—siblings about 11 weeks old . When it’s gone, you should never need to buy it again for those goats. Let me know if you’ve seen additional symptoms. Where do you buy either sweetlix or purina minerals. I’ll start weaning them off the grain and continue with the free choice Manna Pro minerals. and an 8 year old doe. We will be moving them around to different grazing areas of our property. It’s a good idea to check your goats’ eyelids weekly to be sure they are not getting anemic, which can be caused by coccidiosis or barber pole worms. Dry does do not need alfalfa or grain. It just happens with some goats. Would there be an ideal timeframe for this transition? These are the first goat i have ever had. https://thriftyhomesteader.com/can-i-keep-sheep-and-goats-together/. I’d suggest weaning them off the grain and just providing a good quality grass hay, as alfalfa can wind up causing zinc deficiency in non-breeding does, bucks, and wethers because of the high calcium content. You don’t need to worry about them drinking water if you stop giving them milk. That is an excellent summary! If the kids are pooping pebbles, eating, and running around normally, they are probably fine. Upon review and further investigation of your website and the above conversations I am getting mixed messages on whether or not it’s okay to feed Bucklings/soon-to-be-wethers Alfalfa because it can wind up causing a zinc deficiency, and Grain because of urinary calculi. I also have raised boer wethers, and have lost 2 due to urinary calculi… I have one boy left (5 years old) and I want to keep him healthy. You could get one bag of goat feed and use that for training purposes a handful at a time, and then when that bag is gone, it’s gone. Purina makes a lot of different goat feeds. Like us on Facebook Call Us 1300 FARMING (1300 327646) Digital Livestock Exchange (DLE) RFM NT - No Till Planting Technology; DelayPay - Payment terms for buyers; Send – International Payment Services for Importers and Exporters; Contacts. Different types of livestock have different nutritional needs. Only 1 left in stock - order soon. If you want to raise your goats organically, the #1 most important thing is that they get LOTS of mama’s milk for several months. We know several goat owners for market goats, but not any who raise theirs like we hope to care for ours. My Nigerian Dwarf Goat (two years old) is a companion to our horse – by far she rules the roost. I, like you, worried about copper toxicity so we went to just the bolus and no loose minerals. If your goats do have symptoms or you do have minerals in your well water, the best supplement is copper oxide wire particles (COWP). I value your time and thank you in advance. Here is more info on what goats need: Don’t use alfalfa pellets as alfalfa has too much calcium in it for wethers. Here is more info on selenium: https://thriftyhomesteader.com/goats-selenium/. Hi, Deborah! For example, my selenium uses wheat middlings as a carrier. Sadly you do find a lot of contradictory info online about goats. Welcome to Compass Feeds, Out and About is a "blog" (whatever that is) written by Ross Waller , Rossco to all and sundry! **** P.S. Giving minerals can be through a feeding, drink, or put in a bottle and hung in a corner of goat house. 10.9% max. Goats in the wild live in desserts and mountains, not on the plains and prairies or feedlots. Stumbled onto your website, and found it very helpful, but didn’t see questions/answers specific to fiber goats. Im thinking that if I measure it out in this way, it will work. And an organic dairy goat/kid pellet from Modesto Milling. Manganese 6290ppm Alfalfa (how much per goat per day?) It should be high enough so that the goats can’t poop in it. Goats in the wild drink only rain water or water from creeks and lakes. My goal is to start showing, breed and milk them. What was that product? I’m sure you’ll have even more questions when the kids arrive. Fosters optimal conditions for reproduction and enhances show appearance. Also wondering why they won’t eat the hay or minerals. When I brought them home, one had clumpy poop (which I read could be stress induced) and currently she has dry flaky skin, is always scratching on something and her coat just isn’t as nice as her sisters. He does not like manna pro either. They recently changed the bag for Goat Chow, even though they still call it Goat Chow on their website: I never say anything is impossible, but your wether should be fine without ammonium chloride in the grain if you are only giving him a small amount for a few months. Wethers and bucks should NOT be fed grain or alfalfa, due to the risk of urinary calculi. addy10990 = addy10990 + 'compassfeeds' + '.' + 'com' + '.' + 'au'; https://thriftyhomesteader.com/7-things-goats-need/, Hi. Just be aware that if they get diarrhea with 3-4 weeks, it’s probably coccidia and will need to be treated. Our does are 3 months old and get a free choice loose mineral. Beet pulp is mostly carbs and has very little nutrition. Thank you. https://thriftyhomesteader.com/goats-and-copper-deficiency/. (Click here to see pictures of a buck who is copper deficient.) I tried getting them to eat some copper bolus by putting them in a treat (only two of them actually ate any) – but still not seeing any improvements after a few weeks. Goats never lived in the wild in Illinois because we don’t have what they need to thrive. He is 4 wks old now and also eats alfalfa and forage. We got our first two baby goats yesterday, males 9 and 10 weeks old. They have had CD/T shot this summer and were wormed with Safegaurd liquid. You can get equally good protein (around 16% or more) from grain or alfalfa, so the question is whether or not they need the calcium in alfalfa. I think you’ve said that young goats grow fast enough to utilize any calcium in their grain? If that doesn’t work, I don’t have any other ideas. What was that product? Trace mineral supplements including copper capsules, selenium pellets, cobalt pellets for sheep, goats and cattle. Recently, my goats seem to have had issues absorbing copper (3 Nigerian Dwarfs and 1 boer/pygmy cross). Please try again. I’m not sure how to figure out my for the % listed on the bag, but the molasses adds approx 9 mg/ calcium serving. Dry does do not need grain or beet pulp. Providing South Australian geoscientific and mining information. Even if you have a mineral with at least 1500 ppm copper, your goats can become deficient if you have copper antagonists in your well water. Will they only take what they need? Selenium deficient does may have birthing problems and not pass their placenta in a timely manner. Or should I bite the bullet and keep them in the 8×4 sleeping area for a few days? Preventing coccidiosis Only does in milk need grain. Wethers are very easy keepers. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. var addy12104 = 'cfeeds' + '@'; A white goat has got nowhere to go because it already has no pigment in its hair. I found everything very helpful yet I do still have a few questions. Not sure If this is a good option, or how long to continue medicated feed. I feed grass hay only, no grain, no pasture no alphalfa. Is this ok for milking dairy goats? Most goats feeds only have about 20 ppm copper. From what I gather from all the sources, the plan is: They’ll eat it as they need it. Since they’re still young, it might be enough for them this summer, but as they get bigger and eat more, they will be able to eat everything in an enclosure that size in most parts of the US. Your web infos have a vast reach. We just got our goats about a week ago, and I wish I would have done more homework. Coccidiostats are really only needed when a young goat is going through a lot of stress, such as weaning or moving to a new home, so feeding a medicated goat feed at that time is a better option. A specific color is not indicative of copper deficiency. In the picture you have displayed, it looks like there is salt on one side and loose mineral on the other. It’s a coccidiostat, which should only be given to goats at high risk of coccidiosis, which three wethers should not be. Out and About! If you start mixing in other things, you will alter their consumption. Zinc 6290ppm Goats need a supply of essential minerals from a mineral lick (also known as a salt lick), these can be purchased from your local produce or stock store. The info on this site is based upon current research, as well as my experience raising goats since 2002. We are committed to their care, and I have the book you referenced on raising goats naturally, but asking someone in practice could be so helpful! It’s just a question of whether they are consuming more calcium than they can use, so at some point their growth will be so slow that they won’t need much … and if they get too much, they may start to lose large chunks of hair and foam at the mouth. Purina | Goat Mineral Supplement for All Types and Lifestages | 25 Pound (25 lb) Bag. It does not actually kill coccidia. I have 2 wether boys (brothers) that were born Nov 2018 and thier monther i am guessing is about 2 1/2 now. var addy10990 = 'ross' + '@'; Goats do not need dolomite lime or ferrous sulphate, and you should NEVER sprinkle minerals on their feed. Or the Purina? And your B types will be somewhere in between. had put out a new block that contained copper in a different form that would eliminate the need for the copper boluses? Closed Public Holidays. The three Nigerian’s are black and white – I’m seeing copper where there should be black, and off white that is usually bright white. In fact, they tend to be mostly salt with few added minerals. In researching how to raise our little Nigerian Dwarf Doelings naturally. 01.26.2017 by thriftyhomesteader // 117 Comments. We are getting our first Nigerian Dwarf goats in about a month. var prefix = 'ma' + 'il' + 'to'; addy12104 = addy12104 + 'bigpond' + '.' + 'net' + '.' + 'au'; Sounds silly, but I feel really guilty not giving her feed when she sees her horsey brother eating feed. Do the free choice minerals provide copper as well, trying to figure out the best way to get copper back into their system, again with not doing too many things at once to cause more stress. Basically they use the higher copper level mineral so they do NOT have to do extra copper oxide wire particles any longer. You had posted that I think it was Purina (?) They do not drink water that has been pumped up from 100 feet below the ground. As I previously mentioned our plan was to feed them Alfalfa and Grain (they’ll also be foraging) until they are about 6 months old. I’m concerned that they may actually be suffering some type of mineral overload or mineral imbalance because you’ve been over-doing it by putting minerals on their feed. Shipping gets expensive if you have a lot of goats. They have nice grass hay only, free choice access to the Sweetlix minerals you recommend, and baking soda. So far my goats seem to be doing well but I’m unsure how to best serve them as I do have well water. My question is, how do I get them to want their minerals? This is just a sample of the problems you will see if your goats are not properly nourished. (Dont want to risk it). You can reduce iron with a water softener, but reducing sulfur requires the use of a water filtration system that costs a couple thousand dollars. This blog is excellent and I am learning so much! I have been providing them goat minerals, orchard hay, and starter feed as well as a bucket of fresh water since they were 3 weeks old but they don’t ever touch any of it. The only cases I’ve ever heard of a goat overdosing on free choice minerals was goats that died of copper toxicity when feeding a mineral with 3000 ppm copper, but only five or six of the 100 goats in the herd died — so even in THAT situation, almost all of the goats were smart enough not to overconsume. All goats need a free choice mixed mineral regardless of whether or not they are eating a commercial goat grain. I know that Sweetlix Meat Maker and Purina Goat both have more than enough copper in them. I would also give them a better form of grain, but not much available in my (very rural) area. I have the Mana pro for goats and on occasion I will add some to the alfalfa,beet pulp, and grain mix. Currently have 2 Nigerian Dwarfs that are almost 4 months old. I feed them hay and only a small small bit of grain to top of their mineral treats. In a hay manger or something else? You are more likely to have copper deficiency if you have well water that’s high in sulfur (stinky), calcium (leaves white film on everything), or iron (makes sink orange) because those minerals bind with the copper, making it unavailable to the goat. That is not a block. So, what about our Pygora fiber goats? And what signs of mineral deficiency do you need to be aware of? Any advice? It’ll be interesting to see if they slow down on the minerals…. Also what would your top brand recommendation be, Purina or otherwise? Kristin. Per the farm’s request, I haven’t given them any Purina yet—they’re just eating the hay and Triple Crown Forage . They sold me a bag of Nutrina Pelleted Goat feed, but looking at the bag it is medicated as well. I did just get him 2 new friends, another boer wether (he’s 15 years old and acts like a young buck!) This country has completely different types of plants. All adults have some coccidia in their gut — which is where the kids get is — but it doesn’t become a problem unless the got gets badly stressed by another illness. My boys have grown VERY FOND of their grain, and are going to be notably upset when it is no longer available to them–should I transition them off of it gradually, or instantly? couple of years ago , no sign of problems with them. THE COMPASS FEEDS BLOG Ross Waller (Animal Nutrition) 2020-04-15. Minerals should be made available free choice. How is he doing now? Second year of use for the goat mineral mix. But Caper thought that the power drill was a head scratcher, so the goats were asked to wait outside. Hello. Their copper is now more than Sweetlix, however, they have more salt, so goats will probably consume less, so the actually copper consumption is probably very close to Sweetlix now. Meat Goat is medicated. In 17 years I’ve only had one adult that needed to be treated for it, and it was when she almost bled to death after giving birth to a particularly huge kid all by herself. Hello! Thank you so very much for your help thus far – I truly appreciate it!!! https://thriftyhomesteader.com/a-beginners-guide-to-goats/, Wethers and bucks should have a grass hay. Its good to hear that I shouldn’t worry if he’s not eating his minerals though. That is also why they need milk — lots of calcium and protein. This does not sound like it’s necessarily copper deficiency. Reliance Goat Performance Pellets are a great option for feeding to goats – with a mineral and vitamin pack designed for goats and free from by-product type ingredients such as palm kernel or copra. I had it happen in the past and the Replamin worked wonders and they had a beautiful black smooth coat in days. Easy to mix. Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. All minerals are not created equal. Ronald W from Michigan . I poured the mineral into the feeder and let the goats back into the stall. Yes, minerals should be free choice. This blog takes over from Out and About, the Covid-19 has sorted the travel bit out. In the past, when I have noticed they are becoming copper deficient, I would give them a dose of Replamin Gel Plus and it would clear it up almost immediately. If it’s better to feed them Grass Hay instead of Alfalfa and Grain then that’s what we’ll do. Here is my Beginner’s Guide to Goats, which includes a glossary and links to articles on the basics. The goats offered their assistance with the installation. var path = 'hr' + 'ef' + '='; Eventually her health became so bad that we put her down. We have been prepping their pen, which will be shared with 4 ducks, and are almost ready for them. I truly appreciate your insight and love your website. She also steals timothy alfalfa or orchard alfalfa from our horse’s stall too. var addy26255 = 'cfeeds' + '@'; It’s called a precocious udder, and it does not mean that anything is wrong. Manna Pro is fine for wethers, although I would not recommend it for breeding animals. For example, sheep need very little copper, so if you give sheep minerals or “sheep and goat” minerals to goats, they will almost certainly become copper deficient. Which mineral are you using? Wethers also don’t need kelp. HOWEVER, are you sure your goats need grain? How do you know if your land is suitable for Goat Grazing? Thanks again. Ok great. Also, Manna Pro does not have Iodine in it. Maybe they’d be more likely to try it if it’s in your hand. But you should start to switch them over to a grass hay by the time they are about six months old because their growth slows down considerably by then, so they no longer need that much calcium and protein. Thanks so much for your kind words. None of them seem interested in it. Dry does do NOT need grain. If they are accustomed to eating dirt, I’m not sure how long it will take them to switch over to the real minerals. What excellent advice! And it works better if you feed them from one pan because then they get competitive and will be more likely to eat them. What is your opinion? If you have local brands, be sure to check the label. $43.99 $ 43. I do the same thing with selenium. Never buy anything labeled as “sheep and goat mineral” because that will have zero copper. I don’t have a way to close them in to restrict dirt licking . If they get diarrhea, it’s probably coccidiosis at that age. Regarding your note back above, living in Florida we have a major issue with ants and sweet feed. Some people want to add baking soda or diatomaceous earth or kelp, etc. Because of the different needs of livestock, using an “all stock” mineral may lead to deficiencies because they tend to be very low in all minerals, so as not to cause toxicity of any mineral in any species. Recently, my goats seem to have had issues absorbing copper (3 Nigerian Dwarfs and 1 boer/pygmy cross). You should not be doing anything to encourage them to consume more minerals than they are willing to eat on their own. Minerals should always be available free choice — that means they are in a feeder on the wall, and they can consume as much or as little as they want. Goat minerals should be in a mineral feeder attached to the wall. document.getElementById('cloak10990').innerHTML += ''+addy_text10990+'<\/a>'; List an Ad Here! … Evolved Habitats 94010 Billy Goat Mineral Supplement Treat Block - Berry Bush - 4 lbs. I wish it were that easy to eliminate high minerals from well water. Your email address will not be published. Thank you so much! We are getting 6 Nigerian Dwarf Goats that are all 8 to 12 weeks old, 3 withers and 3 doelings. You would just put a quarter cup or so into a mineral feeder that’s attached to the wall, and when it’s gone, add another 1/4 cup. Thank you. I have given my goats copper bullious do to my having sheep as well. And we would love to have milk. There is no reason to wait to start giving them the Purina. Purina has several goat feeds, and Dumor has two. I’m noticing they are lapping up quite a bit of minerals (as they did the first day we brought them home). The remaining goat is the only one that never became seriously ill because his brothers bullied him so he probably did not get too many grains. And wanted to ask you about the copper supplements. and 1/2 cup Grain (containing at least 35ppm copper) per goat once a day. And while I feel terrible about not giving her the care she needed I feel like we finally have an answer and are able to change the way we care for our remaining goats. Sweetlix Meat Maker is my favorite because it has plenty of copper, selenium, zinc, and cobalt, which are minerals that goats are most commonly deficient in. The wether’s hair is the one that is curly. //-->, © Compass Feeds Pty. Unfortunately, our goats have been with mom in the barn stall this entire time and kept away from the extremely wet/soggy pasture. It includes live videos, PowerPoint lectures, and handouts. No alfalfa (too much calcium and protein) and no grain (too much phosphorus and protein). We’re doing a bunch of research in preparation for them to come home in two weeks, and we’re very Excited! From the time we got her we could not keep her healthy. I have a high Iron & mineral well water.. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sorry I didn’t see this sooner. If you don’t want to continue the medicated feed, they will probably be fine since they’ve been getting it already. We keep our three wethers with an old Arabian horse. NOTE Items listed as EXPORT ONLY are subject to APVMA Permit PER89309 for the possession and supply/sale of the products to places outside of Australia and its territories, and are NOT for supply for use in Australia. Ok – I guess I was confused with the coat pigments and copper deficiency. Medicated Sweetlix has a coccidiostat in it to prevent coccidiosis, so it’s really just for kids around weaning or moving to a new home, which is a stressful time. I am looking to start weening them off the milk replacer but worried they won’t get enough liquid since they won’t drink the water. I swear the minerals will go bad before they will take any of it. And even if you had goats that needed grain, you would NOT leave out an unlimited amount for the ants to crawl into. 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